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I feel liek my diet stinks. I am kind of a weird case and have not moved thru the lists very smoothly- I know there are people way worse than me btw but I need some ideas. Like I can have yogurt but I am afraid of asparagus. I feel like I might eat too much mozzarella cheese and carbs but I am thin enough- i guess I could lose 7 lbs or so before I started looking way too thin so i don't know If I need to cut more carbs. I am not really on a particular list

 

Would you mind writing a short description of one of your day's diet?

 

ps- sorry this is the worst  writing- I am in a rush

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good question Deir...I too would be interested to see.  I am still on list one but curious to how others handle moving up the lists and how much of what do they eat?

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cathy

I am on list 4, usually for breakfast I either have a 2 egg omlete with spinach and a rice cake or 2 eggs on sourdough bread. During the week at lunch I have what I made for dinner the night befoe so I can warm it up at work. For dinner it varies, I may have a bolognaise using ground beef and Roa tomato and basil sauce with a little whole wheat spaghetti and either saute up some squash or bell pepper or  chilli but without the chilli powder, another meal I eat is oven fried chicken and french fries with some veg on the side, or a chicken pizza, or beef stew. I always cook vegatables on the side. I was having either blueberries, blackberries or raspberries and yoghurt for dessert. I have a good size portion but really need to cut down on my portion sizes as could do with losing 10 ibs. I tolerate most foods I have tried but tried strawberries a couple of months ago and those irritated my bladder, have been reluctant to try again.

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Murphy325

Hey Deir!
I am list 5+, but I wanted to share the plan I use for my meals, in case you can find something useful in there.
Breakfast: I almost always have 2 eggs cooked in butter with spinach (also cooked in butter, and sometimes I add leeks or scallions). For my starch I rotate between skipping it, having 1/2 - 1 cup cooked grain (like amaranth, quinoa, teff, buckwheat, or rarely oatmeal), or a slice of bread. Some days I make a salad and put the cooked eggs on that, and some quinoa. Or if I am in a big rush, I eat yogurt with almonds, sesame seeds, and berries.
 
Lunch: I try to have a salad for lunch - whatever veggies you can eat/like. I also always make sure there is a fat on it (avocado, cheese, or olive oil), and I like to put sunflower seeds, sesame seeds and a squeeze of lemon. I also love adding grapefruit to my salads. Maybe that is weird. And then I top it with chicken, steak, or shrimp. For starch I do a grain that I didn't eat at breakfast, or a slice of bread.
 
Snack: If needed, I have some yogurt with berries and almonds. Or a bite of almond butter.
 
Dinner: I aim to always have cooked veggies for dinner, so maybe I roast zucchini, eggplant, squash, onions, carrots, etc. Or brussel sprouts. And then I have a meat that I didn't have at lunch. At dinner I try to skip the grain, but sometimes I will have a few potatoes (mashed, oven roasted, whatever), or ~1/4 cup of grain.
 
Hopefully that is helpful...?

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Murphy325

And in terms of how much I eat...that has changed a lot since I healed. At the beginning when I was a bag of bones, I ate constantly...like two steaks and two chicken breasts, and four eggs a day constantly....now that I keep weight on I have cut back a lot. So only 2 eggs for breakfast. For lunch and dinner I eyeball it so that the amount of meat looks like a pack of playing cards. With ground beef I go for 1/4 lb - 1/3 lb. Or with chicken, I will eat 1/2-3/4 of the breast. Veggies I have as much as I want (within reason). And grains I limit...I let myself have a bigger serving with breakfast (never more than 1 cup), less at lunch, and aim for none or 1/4 cup at dinner.

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TwentyTwenty

Hi Murphy325. thanks so much for this, it's very helpful. I would really appreciate it if you could post your story. So many of us are so desperately in need of hearing of a positive outcome right now. Thank you.

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Mimij67

Hi Deir! Hi Murphy! 2 things. Murphy, please do give us an update it would be so very much appreciated. And secondly, I could have written that post. But I am on list 3. I used to eat a LOT of yogurt, cheese, and carbs with every meal and two servings of fruit per day. (Oh, and often a serving of potato chips. But since we are attacking the yeast, I have been MUCH more mindful about carbs.
 
I do not eat carbs at dinner any more. At first I was grumpy about this, but my body got OVER IT! I also kind of miss yogurt and cheese, but, you know what, not as much as I thought I would. I figure I can go back to it in moderation eventually and also add in raw dairy. My bloating is FINALLY AFTER 2 Years starting to improve and my bladder is feeling really good.
I have 1 or 2 eggs at breakfast and a slice of Energy rice bread with butter. OR I have a sweetpotato/spelt or rice flour/salt/baking powder/almond butter/egg/cinnamon/oil (LOL those are the ingredients in my fab muffins) or one spelt blueberr pancake with my eggs. I used to have yogurnt and almond butter and blueberries for breakfast and I miss it but I think every day was not good right now to do that.
Lunch is usually two fried eggs and grilled veggies. and now only 1 or 1.5 ricecakes with a little butter or almond butter. Dinner is fish, seasoned hamburger, seasoned meatball, OR barbeque steak on a big salad with seasonal veggies and half a green apple sliced and avocado. I often have half an avocado at breakfast or lunch, and half for another meal, so 1 whole avocado per day. My god my butter consumption is down to nil and no cheese. Last week I had a sprinkle of feta it was devine. I really love using dairy- free pesto, salsa verde, pico de gallo, marinara. Lots of different yummy sauces or sometimes I just keep it simple.

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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Mimij67

I wanted to add I have sliced seasonal tomatoes right now with breakfast YUM!!!! Dry farmed tomatos. OMG amazing. and I still have 1/2 cup berries per day, or at least a few.

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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Vin43

This is SO useful. I feel like I struggle with my diet too but don't quite know why. When I was first ill and lost a lot of weight, I ate big quantities    and it was fine. I now eat tiny amounts comparatively but am continuing to gain weight. I eat far less than most of you have described above but all the same things. At my last appt., Matia mentioned "Well, you're in your forties" -I think she was implying a hormonal connection. I love the diet but am so miserable with the weight gain. I only need to eat a tiny amount go bread and I gain! I would love some pointers on the carbs issue too. Matia mentions in one of her blogs that weight regulates itself once you achieve balance -I know that I still a long way to go but the weight gain is such a problem. Frustrating!

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Mimij67

Vin can you do some moderate exercise? Not too much bc not good for healing, but a little is good for weight loss. Matia says she does not eat carbs for dinner that often. We don't need the carb energy at night. Since I have stopped the carbs at dinner and on the yeast protocol, I have lost 5 lbs! Probably alot  of water weight and my bowels are moving much better so it all added up. I am still not where I want to be, would love to be more active, but I feel like I have made progress. Matia told me to find the right amount of carbs for ME for my meal. She does not want me to always skip them as I will be tired and grumpy. But we probably need less than we think

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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deir

Thanks everyone-
I think my problem is i still am so scared of many vegetable and I find myself eating steamed broccoli most of the time. I could probably expand but I haven't had a good enough spell to do it so that I could tell if somehting was ok or not. I htink I am going to be more brave with the vegetables and just do it.
 
Mimi- why low  butter? Is this a new thing?
 
I wouldn't mind losing a few lbs but not much (like 5) so i guess i could lower the carbs a bit more. It is so hard when you are already so so limited. It feels like, "Come on- even more restriction!?"
 
I also feel like I eat way more than most of you wrote down but I am hungry if I don't.

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CO

I also eat way more than most wrote! I would not think twice about eating a whole avocado at breakfast. If I did not have carbs at dinner I think I'd be really hungry again soon. Do any of you have a snack in the evening? Or no more food after dinner (& dessert?)

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Murphy325

Deir...I hear you...when I was introducing foods I had to almost pretend I wasn't trying a new food so that I wouldn't anticipate a flare/pain. If that makes sense? I was fortunate, though, that foods really didn't affect me too much after the first year. Spinach and avocado were the only two that I flared from the first time around, but now I eat both every day. 
 
Does M know you eat so much broccoli? I have read a few places that too many cruciferous veggies like broccoli can be bad because of of the amount of thiocyanates in them. Not to give you something to be worried about! I think cooking the broccoli negates any bad effects. In any event, I do encourage you to try more veggies...it could help you feel less restricted. What about zucchini?

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Claire

Hmm, maybe me being off carbs altogether is one of the reasons I'm such a depressed grump!  Maybe I'll give em a go again, but I have such trouble with moderation.  Since cutting them out completely (Matia knows that I've done this), I've stopped missing them, had a lot of sx improve (IDK if its the carb cutting or a million other changes...) and am afraid if I go back I'll become my classic carb-monster self.  It's tough, with a history of anorexia and bulimia, I am really an all-or-nothing kind of eater and finding middle ground feels like a real trick. 

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Mimij67

Claire I FEEL you on the food craving/addiction/eating disorder thing. I had my own issues. They are a lot better now but I still get cravings and was rewarding myself with carbs. I need to be mindfull of this. I am strict with my carbs right now and sometimes it is pretty hard. Portion sizing really helps.
 
Deir, I have read in several places that dairy creates more mucus, similar to the mucus that surronds the biofilms that the fungal candida makes. So since I am on SF 722, I want to give the undecenoic acid a good shot at busting up the biofilms. That said, I still have a splash of cream in my coffee and a bit of butter. This is just my own thinking. Dr. B says a bit of butter is fine. She says pasturized dairy is the problem, not dairy per se. She also seemed fine that I had cut out yogurt and cheese. Next is to try more raw dairy when I am ready. I don't think I am having less fat, just using olive oil more often and being more mindful of the butter.

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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Mimij67

Also, Deir I hear what you are saying about restricitons. I hpe you try more veggies and see how that goes. My thinking is similar. The problem for me is, then I had been rewarding myself with more carbs more often, and falling into yogurt as a comfort food, more fruit maybe? Etc... When I cut some of the pleasure foods out, I started enjoying the veggies more, and finding more sauces to enhance my eating experience, and just having more variety. Avocado is really fantastic. I have to watch that too. And I am limiting my almond butter but still having a bit, or a few almonds

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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deir

Thanks- More sample diets please everyone!
 
I never really had an issue with food or eating disorders and it kind of frustrates me to keep having to exert such careful control over my food! Almost makes me feel like I am developing  obsessive eating patterns now in my effort to get well. Some of the comfort foods are actually good and comforting, you know? Like- a piece of delicious bread has been enjoyed by people for millennia. sigh.....YKWIM?
 
It is hard to find raw cheese. I only eat Mozzarella and provolone and I haven't found raw options for that

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Mimij67

Matia said raw cheese was usually list 4/5 because it has too many microbes for us.

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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Claire

Here's what I eat lately.  I used to be on list 4 but then ended up back on list one(ish):
 
Breakfast: an egg, half a cucumber and a big pile of steamed cabbage, cashews
 
Lunch: Baked chicken thigh or leg, some variation on the "poop soup" with butter
 
Dinner: Hamburger, steamed cauliflower or cabbage or some veg with butter, celery sticks, several handfuls of cashews. 
 
Super boring-looking when I read it back to myself.  Geez.  I added in onions this week and am gearing up to reintroduce avocado.  Then I'm thinking some goat cheese and that'll add some variety.  IDK if I am overdoing the cashews - they've kind of replaced carbs as my go-to energy food.
 

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Murphy325

Claire, I went totally grain free last year...Can you do any squash? Like zucchini, yellow squash, kabocha, butternut, acorn? Or yams/sweet potatoes? That is what I used for my grain, bc I was a terror without enough starch...or beans? I ate those, too. I know a lot of that is further up the lists, but maybe you would be okay with one of them, and it would be good for the energy.

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Mimij67

Hi Murphy! Why did you go grain free last year? And does that mean now you have added them back?

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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Murphy325

I went grain free because I was really struggling with cravings/binging. So I had to cut out all grains and let my body heal a bit. I was grain free for 8 months. And yes, I have added them back in, but I am really careful with them now, and try to stick to unprocessed grains and avoid things like pasta and try to eat a minimal amount of wheat. I just don't respond well to it. For some reason at this point, I can eat bread in a reasonable manner, so I let myself have a slice here and there. But when I am craving bread, a lot of the time it is emotional hunger so I try to work around it.

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Mimij67

Thanks Murphy!! Did you eat potatoes or sweet potatoes during that time? Or other tubers?

If we don't excel at health, the only other option is disease.

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Murphy325

I ate sweet potatoes, and very rarely potatoes. I go through weird phases with potatoes where I either want to eat them all the time, or can't stand to look at them. But sweet potatoes wedges baked in the oven - yum!

deir's picture
deir

Clare- How are you doing now?

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Claire

Murphy, I think the squashes are a really good idea.  I'll ask matia about it next week.  I talked to a medical intuitive this winter who told me my body likes squash/sweet potato and slow cooked fatty meats- which she thought was sort of hilarious, as she rarely sees this as something that bodies are asking for!  Thanks for the idea, and i'm glad to hear you're having a better time with grains after a hiatus. 
 
I used to eat so much squash, prior to working with Matia, that I turned orange.  Yet again, issues with the moderation thing...so I gotta be mindful of what's going on.
 
Hi Deir!  My bladder has made big improvements in the last couple months- thanks for asking!  Mentally, I'm like a shell-shocked crazy person, though.  This week has been better but I'm really struggling with my mental health after such a huge setback while doing everything "right" on the protocol.  Matia has been amazing at getting me out of the dark hole- her steady tenacity has made me not give up. One day at a time!

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Rachel Ann

Claire, I'm so glad to hear you are doing better!  I am going through a major setback right now myself, and you're right, it is so mentally and emotionally difficult when you are doing everything right and sticking to the protocol, but you feel horrible!  You give me so much hope!  Thank you for sharing!

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deir

Claire- Oh good- I am so glad you are doing better. I hear you about the mental health.
 
How do people define "craving" vs- normal preference? Just curious