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I am really fascinated that so many of us have poor bonding issues- usually with our mothers. This is a continuing issue for me even though my mom is now 84 and a sweet old lady. She did not know how to parent and we got hit a lot. I think this leads to a negative attribution bias which I really want to move beyond. Has anyone had good success in dealing with this issues and if so, what methods worked for you.
Thank you!
I experienced lack of bonding
I experienced lack of bonding also and I am curious how to move beyond it? If it is contributing at all to my lack of progress in healing, how do I truly forgive and move forward? I can't change the past. My mother is not alive to discuss this issue with. I am definitely concerned there is no hope for moving past this. Intellectually I am not angry or bitter. It is what it is. But I'm sure it affected me on a deep level and is one reason why I am so conflicted about having kids of my own. I'd love to hear how others have overcome this bonding issue too.
Hey Flygirlsam, I notice
Hey Flygirlsam,
I notice that when I am not feeling good, that I tend to think of my bad memories of my Mom even more. It's hard with our imbalance because we don't feel good a lot of the time. But it helps for me to talk to someone that understands. My older sister has celiac, and a lot of other problems. Sometimes we talk about it, and she really turns my head around, and helps me see the good in my Mom. Nobody is perfect, and everybody goes through there own challenges. And whatever they go through makes them who they are. My Mom is crazy, and not very open about her past. But my Sister, tells me to put myself in her shoes. And that is someplace I would never want to be, and it kind of helps me understand why she is the way she is. Maybe you can talk to someone that can help you remember the good in her. It is hard to forgive them, especially because they are our Moms. But, maybe they cannnot help they way they are (or were).
I hope you can forgive your Mom, just as I am trying to forgive mine, and accept her who for who she was/is. It is a very hard thing to do. But I do think it will help us. I don't think any Parent would want their kids to just think of all the negative things that they did. They would want you to live your life to the fullest and only think about the positve things. It is hard but we have to try.
Sam, even if your mother was
Sam, even if your mother was alive, there would be no guarantee that your experience would be different. I approached my mother several times asking why she treated me the way she did. She denies any wrong doing and refuses to accept responsibility. I imagined that I would immediately feel better if she said she was sorry. I would forgive her on the spot. But... looks like I am the only one who owns the issue. It is up to me to release and move passed it.
Currently, I stay away from my mother because she still behaves the same. She expects to be treated with absolute respect and continuous submission.
Recently, a woman in our family gave birth to a disabled child. My mother immediately claimed that it is for woman's sins (because she is not 'nice' with her mother??) that she will have to raise a disabled child. How can someone claim that they know the woman's destiny? I truly prefer not to deal with that type of negativety and judgmental exposure...
As to IC, I 'would not have health problems if I treated my mother better'. She never asks how I feel. Because I look all right, she does not understand how I really feel. Even in moments of elevated pain, I don't pick up the phone and call her because she will say something insulting.
Occasionally, I touch the issue of my own parenting in counseling. I want to learn all I can about being a better parent. I want my girls have different experience. I switched to seeing an energy counselor. I cannot tell for sure how it goes yet, but the experience seems to be more productive comparing to former counselor's visits.
Also, yoga also brings moments of clarity and calmness, puts things in perspective.
Bonding
I would like to recommend a book that might help with what you all are talking about. The book is The Presence Process. You can read it like a novel and not get much from it or you can do all the sessions and really see some amazing shifts in your life. I highly recommend it as it has changed my life much like Matia has. :)
Sam- I know you said you also
Sam- I know you said you also go to Al- Anon. I started first with ACA- Adult Children of Alcoholics (and disfunctional familes) and I still go to at least 2 meetings a week. I did have a loving family, thankfully but I still have issues related to lack of trust etc due to the addiction in my family. Many of the people in the meetings have had bonding issues. The main focus of the program is "Self Parenting" I really feel that this has helped me in so many ways. Also- for me the spiritual aspect of the 12 step process is the key. I have to believe that my Higher Power is helping me to release whatever old issues are there. I sometimes worry that I have some deep seated trauma or control issues that I just can't deal with but I have believe that I am the path to total wellness and I don't travel that road alone.
To everyone- I am continually amazed at your level of self awareness and I truly wish you the best. xoxoxo
I believe that the bonding
I believe that the bonding issue with my Mom was the first contributing factor to my imbalance. Then everything else just piled on top of that. Like, high carb and sugar diet, birth control pill, antibiotics, and diet coke. But I felt imbalanced even as a kid. I always had very low energy, was depressed alot, and would crave affection. I had bladder issues before I started birth control, antibiotics, or diet soda. I think that just made my body out of balance even more by adding those in.
For me I decided the best thing for me and my Mom was to only have a relationship through phone calls. If I go to her house, or if she comes to mine. Something always happens that really makes me dislike her. I know she has some sort of undiagnosed mental problem. My siblings assume it is bi-polar, with paranoia. I love her, but I have so many bad memories of her. And she is not going to change who she is , and I can't change her. She is who she is. What I try to do is remember the good things she did, and not the bad. Even now, there is a lot she is doing that I disagree with. But I know if I try to confront her, it just makes her angry. Then we don't get along. So for me, I just let her be who she is. She is crazy, but once in a while I will give her a call, and she will tell me all her crazy stories and I just listen. That's how I am dealing. I could go on and on about all the crazy things she has done, but I choose not to go there. Sometimes you just have to forgive and forget. And let them be their crazy self.
Bonding
Hi Ladies. This issue is something I have been dealing with all of my life. Blondy, your mom sounds alot like mine. I too have tried for years to have conversations with my mom about why she treated me the way she did, to no avail as she is completely unable to look at herself or acknowledge mistakes. I believe she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder so may not have the capacity for self reflection. I have addressed this issue in therapy but did not really get any resolve from that either. My mom began showing signs of dementia a few years ago & has deteriorated since that time. I have been taking care of her for the last 3 yrs & it has helped me to develop some compassion for her & to accept that she was very "damaged" & did the best she was able to. That acceptance has helped me let go of the huge resentment I have always carried for her. Sorry I can't offer any solutions for healing but wanted to share my experience. Hope everyone is having a good day.
Mothers
Calieve,
In describing your mother, you could have been speaking about mine. My whole life I had to balance my love of my mother with the anger and shame I feel towards her. She had some diagnosed and undiagnosed mental health issues that were not debilitating enough to make her dysfunctional in society, but serious enough to mess up her two daughters. My father described her once as a walking time bomb, except you never knew when she' go off. She was often very irrational, angry and sometimes violent with my sister and I. One of the hardest things to take was how much she loved us and how badly she'd feel after the outburst. I'd often be consoling her afterwards, while swallowing my own anger and sadness.
I feel as a child my response to her behaviour was to try harder to be good, to be worthy of her kindness. Growing up in that house, left me with profound self confidence issues, lots of self-directed anger, the need to be a "people pleaser" and feel worthless unless people like me.
As an adult I feel I've made big strides in coming to terms with who she is and my feelings towards her. She loves my sister and I and wants to do the right thing, it just comes out twisted sometimes. Cognitive behavioural therapy helped put things in perspective and set the stage to change my own negative patterns. Getting space from her and building boundaries has also helped at lot. Now we have a pretty good relationship. We speak several times a week and, when I see her, I take care that it's a limited-time visit on my terms. I'm definltely still angry with her, but I'm trying to have patience because I know that healting emotionally is an ongoing process.
It is really amazing that so many of us are dealing with the same issues. I wish you all the best on coming to terms with your own childhood.
Lauren
Bonding
Wow this is is very interesting! I'm wondering how this lack of bonding /attachment to us as children causes us to later develop IC? Does it do something to our brains that messes with the signals our brain sends to our body? I know I have had anxiety & hyper vigilance that causes alot of tension in my body for some time. I'm so grateful to have Matia and this forum. Even though I don't post much, I read the posts everyday. I learn so much & often feel comforted that something I'm currently going thru is not unusual & others have experienced it. Thanks for being here:-)
Books
Hey Ladies,
I was reading all of your posts and I saw myself. I have struggled all my life with my parents. When I was a teenager, my mom relied on me for emotional support. She and my dad got a divorce when I was twelve, and she was in crisis mode all the time. So was I, but she didn't know how to help me. Things are better between us now, but still not what I wish they were.
My dad has Narcisstic Personality Disorder so he is exceptionally difficult to deal with. Everything is about him. Even when he "gives" me something, it has strings attached. And he doesn't give a whole lot. There are some books, two of which I am currently reading, that have helped me to understand, process, and learn to deal with my parents in a healthy way.
Children of the Self-Absorbed: A Grown-Ups Guide to Getting Over Narcissistic Parents by Nina W. Brown
Codependent No More: How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring For Yourself by Melody Beattie
Love is a Choice: The Definitive Book on Letting Go of Unhealthy Relationships by Hemfelt, Minirth, and Meier (FYI this one is from a Christian Perspective)
Another one I've read parts of (but not the whole thing) is Hiding From Love: Changing the Withdrawl Patterns that Isolate and Imprison You by Dr. John Townsend. This one has helped me see why I isolate myself from relationships and what to do about it. It's actually been very healing and enlightening. Along the same lines is Safe People: How To Find Relationships that Are Good For You and Avoid Those That Aren't by Henry Cloud and John Townsend. Both of these are from a Christian Perspective as well.
One of my very favorite verses in the Bible is Psalm 27:10, "Though my father and mother forsake me, the Lord will receive me."
I am so glad to be healing from IC and to be healing emotionally at the same time. Because I am homebound right now and not working, I have a lot of time to think and process what has happened in my life. It's an incredibly reflective time and I am truly thankful for it even though it can be really painful. By the way, I've had a much better week this week. Starting to turn a corner! Anyway, forgiveness and letting go of my need for my parents' approval has been a really big deal for me. It's a process I've been in my whole life, but I feel like lately I've made huge strides. I've been holding in anger for so long and it's good to be getting freed from it. What a journey!
LIsa ann- I have a daily
LIsa ann- I have a daily meditation book by melody Beattie called
"The Language of letting Go"
It isn't specifically about parents but it is so helpful in any crisis. I am trying to gently let go of control and perfectionism and having this to read each day really helps.
I know what you mean about being glad in many ways to be looking at this stuff. It can be overwhelming i think but it doesn't need to be. Prgress not perfection! (my motto)
ps- SO glad you've had a better week! GREAT!
Hi Lisa
I too have such trouble with hypervigilance and anxiety - while so much other improvements have happened - this seems to have gotten worse. How about you? I think that a lot of it is all the physical things that happen with the toxins and die off - it has made the vigilance so much worse.
Anxiety
Deir, I will definitely check out the Melody Beattie book! I love her writing style. It's like she's a friend talking to you about really tough things in such a gentle way.
Denise, I do deal with anxiety, but not as much as I used to. I didn't realize how much anxiety I was feeling on a regular basis until I had to slow down and take care of myself because of the pain. Now that the pain is starting to ease, I catch myself worrying about feeling worse in the future and I have to stop and tell myself that it's okay to just be glad about my progress. I haven't had as much anxiety due to die-off, except when we did an herb change that my body was not ready for. So we changed it and I was fine within a day or two. My die-off has been mostly in my head, sinuses, and ears. Sometimes my right ear gets plugged and it might last a couple hours or a couple days, and I get vertigo. I've also been getting heartburn lately, which I never experienced before treatment. I think the withdrawl symptoms I experienced while I was getting off of the anti-depressant were so bad that it makes my occasional bouts with anxiety seem fairly tame.
Anyway, when I start to stress too much as I'm reading about codependency and narcissism, I just stop and take a break. I'm learning to love myself and sort of re-parent myself. I'm learning that there are times when I need to make my needs known and times when I need to say "No." I'm learning to let go and have fun again. And this is good for my heart.
Bonding
Hi Denise. I do still have the anxiety & hyper vigilance. I notice that if I'm particularly stressed I hold that tension in my pelvic area. I don't mean to, I'll just suddenly realize that I'm tightening those muscles. My anxiety is somewhat better at times, but definitely still there. Many things have improved for me over the last 10 months but I still have a ways to go. A few days ago I suddenly started having alot of bladder pain & frequency, after several months with minimal problems there. I took one of those drugstore uti tests & it was highly positive. Matia is changing my herbs & dosages around but nothing is helping. It's very scary to be feeling this again. In the past I would've taken antibiotics but I don't want to mess up my progress. That's the only thing that has gotten rid of Uti's for me in the past, so I'm scared & feel like I'm going backwards. I guess I just have to be patient with this process & trust Matia to figure this out. Deir, I read The Language of Letting Go every morning. It has helped me very much. It always seems to say something that I just really needed to hear at that time. Sorry if I kind of hijacked the "bonding" thread. Hope everyone is having a good day/evening.
Going backwards
for a bit - you know the old saying - one step back, two forward - seems to be the norm around here. AND YES - it is bloody crappy sometimes!
Hanging in there with you
Lisa Ann, thank you for the
Lisa Ann, thank you for the list of books. I will read them.