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Hi all,
I would really like to know what´s your opinion regarding red meat consumption (or just generally eating too much meat) and the link with colon cancer, which was scientificallyproven multiple times. I have read some articles/studies on this, as I have acces to some databases. I really do not know what to think. Do anybody know Matia´s opinion on this?
All I know is that there has been colon cancer in our family and yes, the people affected were the meat lovers. Of course, it depends on what kind of meat you eat) if it is processed, if you eat vegetables with the meat, etc. But, seriously, our ancestors only had meat like once a week and it was a special occasion. And in that times, colon cancer was merely rare (and it is not because the methods to diagnose it evolve). I do not want to contradict anything Matia says as she probably has her reasons for making all the people eating such an amount of red meat. I do admire what she does, really. I am just curious and I do not want to threaten myself with cancer, my life has been miserable enough I think.:)
And, as everybody is different, I also have some deep inner feeling (that may be false, I am aware of that fact) that everyone could have different nutritional needs...?
Just curious what you think. I know that there are some pretty smart people around. :)
I have worried some about
I have worried some about eating so much meat and I did ask Matia about this. She basically said in the beginning of treatment is really does help with healing. Later on your body will tell you how much you should be eating, like you will crave it or you won't. I've also read about blood typing and meat comsumption and an O blood type is a meat eater. I am an O and I do know I crave meat and I feel better when eating it. I think many who get colon cancer are also eating the wrong kinds of meat, like bacon, sausage and deli meats full of nitrates. I also believe sugar to be a big cause of cancer.
I think also wasn't the risk
I think also wasn't the risk increased with grilled and charred meats? I have read a lot of stuff touting the benefits of eating very lightly cooked red meat which i would think is closer to what our ancestors did. The enzymes stay intact I believe and you don't get the carcinogen charring effect. Thjis is where I falter- I hate rare meat. But I still think the benefits outweigh the risks. I know I feel better when I eat red meat every day.
I have colon as well as small intestine cancer in the family and I feel like I am preventing that with this treatment. I feel almost grateful that I got IC so i could heal my intestines and get everything working properly!!
omitted variable bias
I would guess that there are three problems with this information. The first being multicollinearity. High fat consumption is related to high sugar consumption (they influence each other), so necessary statistical measures were not put in place.
Secondly, if you don't include the sugar variable your model, the fat or meat, is going to capture the effect of the sugar.
The third thing is I bet there is also a relationship between low vegetable consumption and high meat consumption.
Finally, the China Study is not a good study, so if this is where your fear is from, again, omiited variable bias like whoa.
Lastly, epidemiologic research comes from only a few types of studies. It depends on who is participating in the study!! There has not to date been a study of sugar avoiding, high vegetable, and small amount of meat consuming individuals compared to those from a similar source population without such an exposure.
Again, if you find said study on pubmed or something, please send it my way. :)
Red Meat
I'm confused. My bladder seems to be liking red meat at the moment, so I eat a lot of it every day. There isn't any colon cancer in my family, but I still worry about eating too much of it. It's hard to know whether it is safe to eat it or not. And then there is organic beef versus the regular beef that has been injected with hormones and antibiotics. I only eat organic beef now, but I didn't all the other years when I was growing up.
"Nourishing Traditions" is a
"Nourishing Traditions" is a cookbook put out by the Weston Price FOundation. I don't stand by what Sally Fallon says 100% but there is a lot of good info in there IMHO along thses lines. I had read that years ago so I was never afraid of red meat. I was actually so relieved when read Dr B's diet and she wasn't pro vegan or low fat something like that.
We are rebuilding- it makes sense that we need DENSE nutrition.
thanks!
Dear ladies,
thank you all for such a valuable responses. I really do agree with all you have said. I was just wondering if I could omit something - like the fact that meat and especially red meat stays longer in our intestines than say vegetables, and it is said that it gets "rotten" (sorry for my word choice, I am not a native speaker) in the colon. Regarding that, I really do not know, but I totally agree that it contains nutrients that are not present in any vegetarian/vegan diet (the second thing is how our body is able to process those nutrients and I admit that I don´t know anything about that and I bet that there are huge gaps in up to date research. too.
Researchnerd, thanks, I was actually wondering what your opinion was, as I´ve noticed that you are kinda expert in the field. I totally agree with you that validity of up to date research is quite low, event thought that realiability is high, as in tested populations there is always high sugar intake and low vegetable consumption present. They sometimes involve fiber and fat as variables, but I am not that good in reading the results to say if it is enough. I know about one Japanese study, not very good, which is different as traditionally Japanese people eat smaller amout of sugar and a lot of vegetables BUT - many Japanese turned to western red mead diet, so the meat is processed "our" way - fried mostly. That would be a problem I guess. As deir mentioned - grilled and charred meats seem to, according to many studies, cause the mutation that leads to cancer. So, heavily brown meat might be very unhealthy I guess.
I especially like the study by D. D. Alexander and C. A. Cushing (Red meat and colorectal cancer: a critical summary of prospective epidemiologic studies). Says a lot about validity of different studies. But still - I would rather eat red meat in soups, not steaks or hamburgers. Cooked meat is, in my opinion, quite safe.