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I have really been figuring out what is causing my flares finally, and they are the weirdest things....

The newest one is chicken!

Why in the world would chicken cause a flare?  Does anyone know WHAT in a food causes  a flare.

I had been eating chicken daily for 4 months now, and now I am doing an elimation type diet and today I added back in chicken...and I am in a flare.

I do not do well with salmon, (my tummy).

Does anyone know which fishes are safe to eat (mercury free)

Thanks!!!!
Laughing 

Clueless's picture
Clueless

I was able to eat chicken for years, and now all of a sudden I can't eat it anymore.  I always had problems eating turkey.  Chicken really flares me now, so there goes even the chicken soup.  Most fish have mercury.  There are some that contain more mercury than others, like tuna for instance.  Salmon bothers me some too, both bladder and GI tract, but I can eat it in small amounts.  I mostly eat haddock, flounder, and cod, but I just tried one called Barramundi.  It was good and is also high in omega 3.  Not really sure how I did on it.  After eating it twice now I flared once on it and the next time I didn't flare.  Sometimes I can't tell what flares my bladder. You can check out which fishes are high in mercury on the internet.  I think swordfish and mackerel were also high in mercury.  There are other pollutants in fish as well, but we have to eat something.  Tilapia can cause problems in people who have inflammation.  There was a post awhle back about that.  Good luck!

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shar

I also flare pretty badly from chicken.  It took me a long to figure out that it was happening. I think the reason is what the chickens are eating like soy, corn, flax, etc.  l tried different brands and still flared from it.  I guess the good news is being able to figure out what is causing the flare.  I just realized that brown rice was killing me after eating it everyday for 2 years.  Every time I figure out a new cause of flaring I want to cry.  it's hard eliminating foods from an already limited diet.  I miss yummy food but can't handle being in pain anymore.  

Melsvensen's picture
Melsvensen

I just read the chicken package and it says, "fed vegetarian diet"Which I am sure means CORN....Crazy. 

cecilia's picture
cecilia

Again I am not an expert but I have a friend that  works in Agriculture. I was told that usually the chicken feeds that are sold are combinations like the way dog food is of all different kinds of ingredients and vitamins, supplements, etc. From what I understand the price of soy continues to go down and now is cheaper then corn in most cases, so a lot of farmers are switching from corn base to soy base.Also when you see a bottle of what is called " Vegetable oil" that means SoyCorn oil used to be one of the cheapest and most common cooking oils but now it is soy.I don't know about you, but I get really bad flares from Soy oil, so I avoid anything that says made with Vegetable oil.

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cecilia

Hi Mel,  I also went through a period of time that all of a sudden I could not tolerate chicken and I did not know why. My hypothesis is the source is in the chicken feed, antibiotics or hormones.  I was eating one brand of chicken but then I switched to Rosie at one point (used to be sold at Whole foods, not sure if it still is), and I started having issues that I traced back to the chicken. I seemed to be having a problem with the Organic and more expensive Rosie chickens, but OK with the Rocky brand which ironically was much less expensive and supposedly not organic. I also noticed a differrence in the taste and asked the butcher what the difference was. He told me that the Rosie's are fed only soy, and the Rocky brand are fed a combination of corn and other foods. So in my case, my hypothesis was that it was the soy in the feed. I also ate beef at a friend's home and had the same issue but worse reaction She showed me exactly what she cooked the beef with and it was all Matia approved ingredients, I just could not get it. I had the worst brain fog everytime I ate the beef, as well as all sorts of Candida related issues.  Almost all the meats sold in markets claim to be antibiotic and hormone free but many of them are far cheaper then others. Sometimes I feel if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I am not an expert on food regulation but I have a gut feeling that many of the meat suppliers are somehow using loopholes to be able to claim that they are antibiotic and hormone free when in fact they are not.  For example, here in Israel I found out that chicken growers can claim their eggs are antibiotic free if the chickens are only given antibiotics when they are sick not as a preventivie in their food or water. I also have heard of loopholes by placing hormones or supplements in their food or water that sometimes they can get around claiming that they have been treated, when no injections have taken place.  My advice is to get in contact with local growers if possible. You can start by local farmer's markets. Othewise find a really knowledgeable butcher. I wrote another post  before about a really good butcher. He is a very knowledgeable and nice guy. You can contact him and maybe he might be able to refer you to someone in your area. (I found his prices to be the same or cheaper in many cases then Whole Foods also). There are also foodie forums such as Chowhound and Eullet that might be able to refer you to Organic pasture or grass fed, antibiotic free meat.  I hope this helps in some way  

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AnthonysMom

Hi! The non free range chickens as you guessed it already being fed, well being fed period, produce arachidonic acid.  Even some of the free range chickens don't get to eat the best food sources they can find, like bugs which is the best nutrition for them and the consumer.Is your blood type B?I know eastern medicine does not concur with the blood type and I eat plenty of things that are not for my blood type because I am supposed to be a vegetarian.  I am curious though.  My husband's favorite food is chicken and ironically it is the one protein that really isn't supposed to be good for B blood types.Thanks!

nicole's picture
nicole

if there free range shouldn't they be getting bugs them selves?  i have tons of worms in my garden i would think they eat them no?

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Melsvensen

I am type o blood.  Maybe it is the soy..I dont have a problem with the ground beef I buy.  I get it at Meijer.  Its not organic..so I am not sure why that does not bother me.  Maybe because it is corn they feed, and not soy..This disease is insane..just when I think it cant get worse, it does. 

nicole's picture
nicole

i can't eat chicken either it drives me nuts. i have tried all different brands. the weird thing is i can have the health valley chicken broth. i am assuming it is what the chickens are fed and if i had my own that i could eat them. i have found some egg brands to be better then others as well so that again tells me it's what they are eating. i don't think i could slotter my own chicken :/ I do however plan to raise chickens for the eggs as soon as i can get a coop built. i have been meaning to do this for about a yr now. I plan on feeding them whole buckwheat, popcorn, alfafa grass mostly. oh btw i am also type 0

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Scott Hightower

You guys are absolutely right. Like the old cliche you are what you eat the same thing goes for chickens. In fact there is an underground lake in TN full of trout the only problem is they taste like liver since that is what they are fed.
If you are still thinking about raising your own chickens, build your coop yourself to save a ton of money. Here is a link:
http://handymanplanstore.com/chicken-coop-plans/
Scott
 

nicole's picture
nicole

thanks Scott,
when i bought this house it came with this structure in my yard I imagine they used it for potting plants but it's going to be perfect for my coop. I just need to put the chicken wire around it and build there nesting box a ramp for them to get up and then some sort of tray bottom system so i can keep it clean. i will check out the link for ideas though. I have a friend flying in to stay maybe i can get him to help me get this thing to be a reality. I think having little chicks around will be so fun to raise. I have been reading all the organic chicken sites too. I am kinda excited about it.

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Murphy325

Legally, "free range" only means that the chickens do not live in battery cages. It doesn't mean they necessarily have access to the outdoors. Frequently, and this I found depressing, free range simply means there are thousands of chickens in a barn with no access to sunlight/outside, etc. The only label, per se, that really means the chickens would have access to bugs/grass is "Pastured Poultry."
You can also go to the website eatwild.com to find local farmers in your area that sell eggs, meat, milk, etc. Localharvest.org also has a farm directory.

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nicole

uggg how missleading thank you for the news :( No wonder . the koop i have started to build for my chicks is 5x 10 and i only plan to let them nest and sleep in there they will be able to walk around my garden. i am looking forward to the compost to inrich my soil and have nice big  veggies. i have learned growing veggies takes a long time so i must not have enough in my soil i need to feed my plants more. i want to make some compost tea but i have not had the energy.

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Clueless

This is insane.  How are we supposed to know what is safe to eat?  I don't tolerate brown rice either, and the list of what I do tolerate gets smaller and smaller all the time.  I'm already on a bare bones diet.  It's frustrating.

Melsvensen's picture
Melsvensen

I know what you mean...I feel like I have to choose to be in pain if I want to eat...it seems like it is impossible to find meat, eggs, fish that is ACTAULLY good for you, so it makes me feel like I am going to get cancer or another disease because of all the crap in the meat I am having to eat everyday.  I am so frusterated at our society and how messed up it is, forcing us to eat CRAP.

Clueless's picture
Clueless

Mel;I guess we just have to do the best we can with what we have.  We can't worry about everything we put in our mouths.  How do we even know that chickens who eat just bugs wouldn't bother our bladders?  Nobody with IC has tried eating just bugs to see how we do.  LOL   I eat a lot of fish, and I know fish have pollutants in them because people are polluting the rivers, streams and oceans.  It makes a person feel helpless, because the people who are doing the polluting are the people with the money.  Money makes the world go around, etc. 

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Murphy325

I am actually in the midst of doing a research paper for school about how the federal food regulations and practices that are in place to supposedly protect the public are, in fact, hurting the public. A really interesting read on this topic is a book by Joel Salatin called "Everything I Want to Do is Illegal." Broadly speaking, it is hard to not feel as though the USDA and FDA are more interested in protecting corporate interests than the public interest. Another really interesting read on how messed up our society is in regards to nutrition is "Food Politics" by Marion Nestle.
I think the best way to find safe food is to go through Buying Clubs, or CSAs (community supported agriculture), or farmers' markerts where you directly interact with the people raising/growing your food. You can find out exactly what they are feeding the chickens, cows, lambs, etc, and I suspect if you explained to them your sensitivities, they would be happy to accommodate you. For instance, if you told them you only wanted chickens fed specific things, or not fed specific things, and you agreed to buy so many chickens (say, 20-30), chances are they would be happy to help you out. I know it's an extra step, but I think it's worth it.

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Melsvensen

We live in a very cold envirmonent for 7 months out of the year, so we only have farmers markets from July-Sep.  I would LOVE to move somewhere where this is most of the year. I did go to this placehttp://www.tcforganics.net/tcfhome.htmthey are a farm that delivers organincs to your door, but I am not sure where there source is.  I am waiting for a call back from them to ask lots of questions about there meat and fish.  I know another girl who lives in the chicagoland area uses them. I am crossing my fingers! I know how messed up the government is and our food supply, I have watched documentaries on it and read my share of articles.  I try not to do that anymore, because it literally makes me crazy, knowing I have no choice but to feed my family crap. We are in a tight budget with a family of 5 and this disease, so we cant afford to buy all "good stuff" for everyone..it makes me sad..but I have to lay my fears to rest when there is nothing I can do righ tnow.  I really really hope the farm I posted has good stuff!Lots of people have gotten back in balance with Matia, and I kno wthey were eating the meat and fish that we are forced to eat, so that is encouraging. 

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wcorisa

Hey all,I was just reading all these posts and I think i've recommended this before, but you should think about picking up The Omnivore's Dilemma. It is one of the best books I've read as far as clear information regarding our industrial food system. Not only is it invaluable information in order to make good choices, but it's also simultaneously just a great read. Read it, you won't regret it!! Oh, and I haven't really eaten chicken in quite some time because organic is more expensive than good grass-fed beef and I also learned far too much about the industry to eat it. I trust where the beef/lamb i'm buying is coming from (nearby!) waaay more. It takes some work, but usually there's somewhere close-by where you can find a reliable and humane source for meat products! good luck with the hunt...  ohh and also, meat is like vegetables.... seasonal. as americans we're used to getting everything food-wise whenever we want, but that's not how nature works. you freeze meat, but in terms of raising/butchering everything follows the seasons. the book explains this too... super information... info we should know and have lost touch with in our industrial food system.