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I am seeing Matia in May and have been reading the boards for some time now. The posts here frighten and bewilder me, as well as have me in awe of all of you who are dealing with this and with such courage.
I just dont understand what has happened to everyone,to me. Is it yeast overgrowth and bacterial overgrowth and that both have attacked the bladder in all of us, because that is our weakest organ?Why does it seem to take years for people to get on top of this and why are there so many scary die off symtoms? Why does treatment seem to hurt everyone so much?
Please,please forgive my questions if they touch raw nerves and I genuinely mean no offense to anyone, I am writing from pure fear and confusion,I am committed to going to see Matia but I just cant believe the amount of pain I am reading about, trying to heal and the length of time it seems to take. I am so petrified, I cant sleep at night. I am battling my own food issues and I know it is probably too much for me to be taking on, both the food and my bladder, but I only looked at my food issues because my bladder went into meltdown.
I didnt get Matia's thesis, was going to wait until I see her. I am just terrified that treatment will be too much for me, that even if I do it, I will never get on top of yeast or bacteria.
Please forgive me guys, its my food issues talking here I think, I am already doing Matias diet, have been going through die off, just I am worried that I will lapse eventually because of my eating problems.
I honestly dont understand any of this, what has happened to everyone and wonder why other women our ages are going around living their normal lives and not ill, where did we go so wrong.
You are not alone
Hi Taz
You are not alone. We all face the confusion. the abject fear and anxiety that this horrible disease brings. I came out from the UK in late Janaury to see Dr Brizman and knew that I had made the right decision. Within a couple of weeks my pain levels dropped off and I regained a little of my self confidence that I had completely lost and even started to laugh again but the last week has been horrendous and I cannot figure out what it is. I've gone back to list 1 as had been allowed to try foods from list 2 but it hasn't made any difference, I could be suffering die off as feel so fatigued and feverish too. But all I know is so many have reached recovery with Dr Brizman's help and support, as one of her patients said to me whose bladder is now pain free....we all have to power through the sleeplessness, the fatigue and the pain but it is so so hard and so so scary.
Please don't despair, you will not regret seeing Dr Brizman in May and we can be there for each other as we are both newbies.
I'll send you a direct email so you can email me if you would like to. We do need to support each other as this is such an isolating disease, even when we have loved ones, they just cannot understand what we're going through.
hey there..i know its all
hey there..i know its all confusing and even the longer you get in treatment u still have moment when your so unsure of everything..but this will be the best thing you ever do for your health. it takes so long bc our bodies have been compromised for a very very long time even before the symptoms appeared. usually when ur symptoms appear your body has had its last straw even tho it may seem like it just came out of nowwhere. it just takes a long time to get completely back to balance..but u will see things along the way get better that will help u stay strong and know ur doing the right thing...and even sometimes things can be gone for a while and then suddenly appear when layers are being unraveled which is typically a good sign. that happens bc when your body gets strong enough sometimes and your immunre system is healing it will throw out more bad stuff...die off isnt always scary..alot of ppl just have minor symptoms....please do not be scared to take this road of recovery..its a hard journey and it will def change u as a person and make u stronger and you will be forever grateful for this gift youve been given of learning about true health! i would say the best thing to do is not to give yourself a time limit bc everyone is different...i thought i would be a 6month case but im 2 years in and still struggling with some deep issues ive had for a long time..but alot of things r better i def have came along way!
Hi Taz
Your fear and confusion are allowed here - it at least makes me feel a bit more normal :)
It's true that die off symptoms can be scarey - although it can be kind of fascinating and exciting. Often I am ever so happy that some of this crap isn't in me anymore - both figuratively and literailly.
You're right, it's not fair. I don't get it. The fact that you're going to have struggle with your eating disorder and IC is a double whammy. Since I'm a cancer survivor, I've turned numerous die off problems into a terminal cancer diagnosis - I nearly checked myself into the ER last weekend when I went over the edge. I've also been diagnosed with OCD and PTSD. - long before IC became aparent to me. So, yes, the stress of this can make whatever else you're dealing with more difficult. The thing is, I'm not sure that I have a choice any longer.
I wasn't able to follow protocol completely - I had celebrated being off all anti-anxiety medication. Now I have to tell Dr. B that I'm back on some of them - it is what it is. It took me a while to forgive myself - to let myself be weak, regroup, and be strong again. Maybe that's something that you can do for yourself too?
If you're like me, you've started a journey. At times it's been scarey, and I've done it kicking and screaming. Other times, it's been empowering. However,I am not trained in much of anything, except maybe picking my ass up again when something else has knocked me down. So, if I'm out of line here, feel free to have at me. My guess is that your eating disorder has to do with anxiety? i know that a huge amount of my problems are. So, on this journey, I've tried to find tools to help me - to bring me comfort and peace. Anyway, I've found this incredible book - the title has to do with getting through depression. HOWEVER, it is really about mindfullness - about not letting your mind spiral down into whatever dark place it takes you - it has been life altering for me - and I'm only a third of the way through. It also comes with a meditation CD. Anyway, it's called THE MINDFUL WAY THROUGH DEPRESSION by Mark William, John Teasdale. You might give it a whirl. Also there are some incredible brain wave CD's that you can go on line and down load - I know quite a few people on this site, myself included, have found them extremely helpful - http://www.brainsync.com/kellybio.asp You'll actually be able to hear blurbs of them before you order.
All my best - you are safe here and won't regret finding yourself here.
Hi Taz, I'm also like you
Hi Taz, I'm also like you starting the journey, scared and frustrated at the realisation that this isn't going to be a drop in the ocean, that it'll take time and a whole lot of effort to get well and that my entire lifestyle and outlook will have to completely change in order for me to conquer this disease.
I too developed eating issues - I never realised how dependent I was on sugar til now and i'm finding it VERY hard to give up along with the cigarettes, alcohol and prescription drugs. But I have so far..I'm off my tabs, I don't smoke or drink and I'm avoiding those beautifully wrapped, tempting sweets that I've always found comfort in.
I'm going it alone at the moment as I haven't the funds to see Matia but I can't argue with the fact that I think this approach is the right one - I've already seen and felt the evidence.
It's a real bummer that we've been so rough on ourselves over the years that we've made ourselves ill but I figure that I've given enough time to being sick - time for a change! :)
We are lucky
Matia once said we are lucky to have IC because it has given us a chance to learn about how to be healthy for the rest of our lives. We are lucky because IC is not life threatening and we can turn our lives around before something more serious gets us.
I know I am lucky, not only because IC has made me change the destructive way I used to lead my life but because I found Matia and I am so lucky to be her patient. There are many out there who would love to have Matia to help them through this but are either too sick to travel or do not have the funds or support.
I have found being grateful is very useful when dealing with die off symtoms which can be draining but it means the treatment is working.
So please don't get disheartened you are certainly doing the right thing and the fact that everyone who is a patient of Matia is so encouraging tells you that it is the right thing to do.
Remember that people only tend to post on this board when they are having problems and there are many who are now getting on with their lives and are not on here all the time. I always found it useful to read the success stories rather than comments on this forum before I started treatment.
Also just following the diet as you are will cause some die off issues and this in itself can upset you emotionally and make you feel very anxious. Just never doubt you are on the right path and look forward to your appointment in May.
Hi Taz, we all understand how
Hi Taz, we all understand how it feels when you are about to start this treatment. Like many other patients say, once you start to feel better you don't read on the board very often anymore. I'm a patient of Matia for 2 years now and I can assure you that this is the best thing that you can do. I'm still struggling with different things but I have improved and changed in many ways. I'm not the same person as 2 years ago, I have also changed emotionally, I feel different about life, I have more self-confidence and I have become so much stronger,... It doesn't only improve your health but it changes you completely. And as you improve, you will also learn to deal so much better with the bad days, you know that they will not last forever... I also wondered a lot why we got this disease and others can live a normal life. But I realized the last 2 years that we still get a chance to improve our health and many other people don't even get a chance to fight... I wish you all the best and know that you will also get there, it can take a long time but you will surely get there!
Vicky
Thank you so much for all
Thank you so much for all your lovely posts, I was really afraid I would upset someone by posting my deepest fears about all this. In some ways I understand how this happened to me and when I compare myself to my friends, my family, I realise not one of them were living in the same self destructive way I was. They are doing some of the things I was doing, but not all of them at the same time and I think that is what tipped me into IC. To the poster who said that my ED may be another issue, yes, definitely, I agree, it feels too much for me to be both tackling that and the IC. I will see what Matia says in May, she already has my case history.
Its just the thoughts of trying to live my life work and home while in treatment, coping with God knows what die off symtoms and all the time, not a single person understanding what has happened to me and then to not even know if I will be really recovered at the end of it (as it depends on my body,I know that)....i get so overwhelmed by it,I can hardly breathe.
Taz, YOU WILL RECOVER!!! Yes,
Taz, YOU WILL RECOVER!!! Yes, it make take a long time, or may not be so long, depending on your body, but you already know that. But one thing you should never doubt when going to see Matia, is that you will absolutely heal yourself on this path, with her help. And look what a great support system you already have!!!
Hang in there, good luck, and just try to have faith in this process.
Best decision
I soooo understand your natural fears and concerns about starting treatment. A couple months before my IC got really bad I initially came across Dr. B's site. But I was turned off & scared off after looking at the diet restrictions and reading some of the posts. I should've started then instead of starting only after a whole body breakdown that little did I know was to come. Yes, treatment is not always easy for some, but don't let that deter you. Had I not done this treatment, it would've been the worst decision of my life, both for my IC and overall present & future health.
Because we're focused on our fears, symptoms, concerns, etc., and b/c many who have the most troubles or take longer are understandably the ones on here seeking support, and b/c most recovered patients are off living their lives, sometimes there's not enough POSITIVITY and HOPE and LIGHT on this site. But take heart that Matia is very clear that the population online is a TINY percentage of her patients, so this site really skews the reality. According to Matia, most every patient either recovers completely or gets back to close to normal life. And personally, I can tell you my bladder is almost asymptomatic thanks to Matia and I'm able to eat so much more and do things like sex I thought I'd never do again. I will also share that even at the 50% point, I said to myself, "As much as I want full recovery, just to have gotten to this point is a miracle, and if I have to live like this compared to the hell I was in before, I'm still so grateful."
As far as die-off symptoms, sure, sometimes they're scary, or troublesome, and for a small few very diffcult, but Matia usually manages it pretty well or gets you out of a jam if you're struggling, plus I think most/all of us would agree that suffering through the TEMPORARY die-off is worth the PERMANENT recovery and life free of IC pain & misery. More and more in life I'm reminded how anything that's worth it, anything I really want, requires sacrifice, and usually more sacrifice than I feel ready or willing to do. But sometimes if you hem and haw over it too much, you never take the leap. So make the jump, and on the way you'll find your wings.
Hi Taz,
Like every beautiful soul had replied here, I understand how much confusion you are in. Please, don't feel bad when you express yourself, fears, confusions. Everyone here is so understanding and compassionate, and trying to have empathy on others, and open to hear more about others' stories, etc something I really appreciate and love in here. When you see everyone here-talking about their pain, fear, confusion or any die-off symptoms from outside--I think it is very normal that it sounds crazy. Well, because it is a crazy process :-) But I would not get scared of this, I think this will be one of the best thing you will do in your life, like many had mentioned. It is painful but a beautiful process. I thought I had this health issue of mine 3-4 years ago but when I go back and think clearly it actually goes all the way back to my childhood. Not that I did not eat healthy--I think I really ate healthy food until I switched to meals including more fruit, fruit juice, sugar, etc...5 years ago; but my problem was not growing up in a healthy environment where one can talk freely, express herself freely, act freely, plus the issues: less self-confidence, insecurity, guilt, etc...This treatment brought this awareness to me. Everything unhealthy was buried deep inside me with the help of antibiotics I took for a long time. Currently, I do have physical pain but emotional/mental/spiritual pain is much more than physical pain for me. Confusing/frusturating-- but I am happy to find Matia and take care of myself through this treatment even though its painful. I believe I am, I guess others on this treatment as well, building up my personality: feeling more confident, not worrying about small details, becoming a stronger person, less self-destruction and more awareness of whats going in life, having open-heart connections with beloved ones, choosing good friends, more compassion, love..anything beautiful can be learned through this process. Also, you said why other women don't have same situation, etc.? Part of me agrees with you and thinks it is not fair, esp when I am not able to be as active as I was before, feeling restricted due to diet/mood, or being extra sensitive to anything around, crazy die-off , not doing well at school, etc....but I would not say, others are way healthier somehow. Recently, I had couple of conversations with friends around me. I would say, they look OK but they(most of them) have some issues as well and after being on this treatment for a year and reading, etc I would say , whatever they say is indeed very related to childhood/emotions/ food/ not listening their bodies,etc. So, to me, this treatment was very enlightening and Matia is such a beuatiful person beyond her being doctor that you wont regret working with her. The protocol kind of teaches what is more important in this life somehow. I would recommend being on the diet until you see Matia, and then believe in treatment/Matia.
Loves
Folks, I really really
Folks, I really really appreciate your further comments, they have really helped to clarify a few things for me. This is what I have learnt - 1 Every single person's journey is different 2. I have to stop reading the boards for now 3 I have to understand that Matia will know what happened to me and my body and what treatment may be like for me and me alone 4 That my mental issues are far far more severe than I had previously thought, that the diet is not the issue (because I am in my 10th week now, so I can do that part of it) 5 That recovery for me may be what it can be, in light of my past and my own fralities.6 As IC Hope said (and I so appreciate it because it is true), I have to jump or stay on the edge. Thing is,I have jumped, doing the diet, booked my appointment,flights everything,have the best mother in the world about all this....but still, part of me is in freefall, I know that now.
Thanks again everyone, if I dont post again,you will know that its due to my not reading any more, for my own sake.